But some say that Helen was never in Troy, that she had been conveyed by Zeus to Egypt, and that Greeks and Trojans alike fought for an illusion. You've discovered a title that's missing from our library.Can you help donate a copy? H. D. had lived through two world wars. 's poem has all the mysterious beauty of fragmented Greek lyric poetry and the powerful emotion of Greek tragic plays. Helen in Egypt is on an epic scale, and a typically modernist – which is to say oblique and allusive – attempt to engage with contemporary events through history and myth, by viewing the specific through the lens of the eternal and timeless. Helen in Egypt is on an epic scale, and a typically modernist – which is to say oblique and allusive – attempt to engage with contemporary events through history and myth, by viewing the specific through the lens of the eternal and timeless. Goodreads helps you keep track of books you want to read. A range of thematic concerns resonates through her writing: the role of the poet, the civilian representation of war, material and mythologized ancient cultures, the role of national and colonial identity, lesbian and queer sexuality, and religion and spirituality. The prose serves as a kind of introduction but is more of a primer. My. You'll never get all the references H.D. Hooray! was engaged in the formalist experimentation. Once heard a tape of HD reading from this, and behind the corny cadence (all of the poets sounded that way back then, except maybe Auden) was an eerie meditation on death and dishonesty. I'm not sure we find out. Traditionally, Helen has been positioned purely in relation to sexuality: either her own, or in her answer to the call of another's. who finds a feminist voice with which to speak to the world. Enter your email address to subscribe to this site and receive notifications of new posts by email. Her former husband Richard Aldington, in the 1920s, wrote a number of longer poems – essentially verse narratives or even verse novels – the most remarkable of which is A Fool i’ the Forest. Instead of mighty battles and bravado, heroism and questions of imperial possession and expansion, Helen in Egypt is more of a dialogue, even a dialectic, between the female Helen and figures such as Achilles. 's work dearly and I plan to study it in as much depth as possible. An American woman who lived her adult life abroad, H.D. In H.D. This is my first encounter with H.D. Though written much earlier – as early as the 1920s – the poem was first published posthumously in 1982, by H.D.’s estate. Seventeen years pass and she receives no … Before there was Tori Amos, there was H.D., writing cryptic verse that by turns boggles the mind and moves the heart. Yet Helen in Egypt is not a simple retelling of the Egyptian legend but a recreation of the many myths surrounding Helen, Paris, Achilles, Theseus, and other figures of Greek tradition, fused with the mysteries of Egyptian hermeticism. An American woman who lived her adult life abroad, H.D. The first stanza contains five lines, the second six, and the third, seven. Still, an interesting book for any classics student or Greeky mythology buff looking to challenge themselves to a new epic that incorperates a number of disparate legends and traditions, from Helen's marriage to Achilles in the underworld, to her suicide on Rhodes, all woven together with grace and mystery. extant. In a letter dated February 3, 1955, to her friend and literary executer, Norman Holmes Pearson, H.D. A fifty-line fragment by the poet Stesichorus of Sicily (c. 640-555 B.C. As she gained an independent voice, she started to find other women who were fighting a similar fight. Ten years from now? Oliver Tearle is the author of The Secret Library: A Book-Lovers’ Journey Through Curiosities of History, available now from Michael O’Mara Books. List of Egypt names synonymous to first name Helen: 109 - 207, Discussion - Week Four - Helen in Egypt - Conclusions/Poem as a Whole, Discussion - Week One - Helen In Egypt - Pallinode pp. This escalation of line numbers builds up tension as the poem increases until the climax occurs in the last three. The fabulous beauty of Helen of Troy is legendary. Helen in Egypt acknowledges the artifice of such characterisation by aligning the mythical Helen of Troy with a 'phantom', a phantom that now haunts the Helen who hibernates in Egypt. If you're more open, to finely crafted language, to sharp images, to a dreamy sort of vision of something like eternity, then this may be right up your alley. also wrote novels, memoirs, short stories, essays, reviews, a children’s book, and translations. Maybe next week? 1 - 108, Discussion - Week Three - Helen in Egypt - Eidolon - pp. The prose serves as a kind of introduction but is more of a primer. That said, there are still plenty of lovely turns of phrase and stark and gorgeous stand out images- I particularly love th. I read this as a Brain Pain book club read and it drags on and on and on to my admittedly poetry illiterate mind. I read somewhere that one of H.D. The writing is dense, erudite and beautifully crafted in terms of language and music. The battles associated with the epic are instead recast as the debates Helen stages between herself and the notable figures from the Trojan War. Did her eyes slant in the old way? H.D. The fabulous beauty of Helen of Troy is legendary. Hilda Doolittle (September 10, 1886 – September 27, 1961) was an American poet, novelist, and memoirist, associated with the early 20th-century avant-garde Imagist group of poets, including Ezra Pound and Richard Aldington. The writing is dense, erudite and beautifully crafted in terms of language and music. In Helen, it is H.D. A really lovely read. I wanted to visit it again, now that the ebook is available, as most of my "hard copies" have long since been traded off or sold to used book stores (especially McMurtry's Booked Up). “Helen in Egypt” is a poem by Hilda Doolittle, an American avant-garde poet affiliated with the Imagist movement, who published under the pen name H.D. God. What is it "about"? It doesn't really, but it is reminiscent of the Cantos in that it has a lot of exceptional beauty buried between pseudo-profundity and dross. The way out of the old stories is through a new kind of writing. And one of the things Helen in Egypt encourages us to do is to question our accepted notions of form and genre. King Proteus of Egypt, appalled that Paris had seduced his host's wife and plundered his host's home in Sparta, disallowed Paris from taking Helen to Troy. . Approached with Doolittle’s previous work in mind, Helen in Egypt, published near the end of her life in 1961, reads as a culmination of the themes of myth, autobiography, and history that dominated much of her literary career, and her various literary styles. The language and structure of H.D. 's purposes in writing this was to have it serve as an answer to Pound's Cantos. Supposedly these characters are having identity/memory worries because they are living in different universes simultaneously. But it is also the loose inspiration for a long modern epic by one of the twentieth century’s most distinctive voices: H. D., the poet who was born Hilda Doolittle and who made her name in the second decade of the twentieth century as ‘H. The Helen of Egypt recordings are the only recordings on PennSound’s H.D. What a wonderful book! It is both epic and not epic, autobiographical and not autobiographical, about the Trojan War and about all war, poetry and prose, dramatic and not dramatic. Like a Greek chorus, this is the place where she can show Helen’s thought, or Achilles’ fears. That said, there are still plenty of lovely turns of phrase and stark and gorgeous stand out images- I particularly love the one of Paris sitting on the ruined wall of Troy, alone in the night, expecting it to collapse at any moment, and the verses describing how Thetis, as the figurehead on a ship, cuts through the surf. Helen in Egypt is a palimpsest, a blotted scribbling--a flight from Troy to the darkened cults of Osiris. made these recordings of Helen in Egypt in Zurich in 1955 (Morris 60). I kept heeding Doolittle's advice and pleaded incessantly aloud to learn how not to remember. The information in the prose passage and the poem overlaps, interlocks; yet this preparatory lead in asks questions, diverges in small ways with a powerful simplicity. The fabulous beauty of Helen of Troy is legendary. Refresh and try again. I found this in an a used and rare books shop. If you like books that obviously mean something, then this will probably infuriate you. She taped herself reading from this work in Zurich in 1955. Similarly, the mixture of prose and verse in Helen in Egypt, with the former sections reminding us of stage directions, suggest the possibility of drama, without Helen in Egypt becoming a play per se. But some say that Helen was never in Troy, that she had been conveyed by Zeus to Egypt, and that Greeks and Trojans alike fought for an illusion. No, Helen is her own woman, she is in love, but she is not to blame. It's very skillfully constructed. A poem about femininity and how others may look down upon it if she is sexual? What if the Greeks and Trojans fought over an illusion?". But no: what if Helen were blameless, and the war were merely an excuse for men to strut and sport and compete with each other to prove their prowess? Helen of Troy was a mere phantom conjured by the goddess Hera. To see what your friends thought of this book. The language is beautiful, the concepts that I can manage to grasp are sophisticated and expertly crafted, and I look forward to the day that I am able to appreciate it fully. An innovative modernist writer, Hilda Doolittle (1886–1961) wrote under her initials in a career that stretched from 1909 to 1961. This particular time I may have had a bit of a personal crisis over it. However, every time I approach a new text of hers, I am reminded how hard it is to read. That's a more difficult question--love, certainly; death, I suppose; existence. However, every time I approach a new text of hers, I am reminded how hard it is to read. An innovative modernist writer, Hilda Doolittle (1886–1961) wrote under her initials in a career that stretched from 1909 to 1961. Everybody can't remember if they were in Troy or not, killed or not, alive or not. So I will most likely have to re-read it, Hilda Doolittle’s interpretive version of Stesichorus’ poem Pallinode tells a new version of Helen and Achilles superimposed over a fabric of mythologies. I needed to take a breather (and walk off the urge for something like a post-coital cigarette) before writing a review because the only thing I could think of after I finished was, Oh. H. D. knew Egypt well, having spent some time in Karnak in the early 1920s (she was nearby when Howard Carter opened Tutankhamun’s tomb in 1922). Let us know what’s wrong with this preview of, Published Post was not sent - check your email addresses! D. Imagiste’ (the initials were Ezra Pound’s idea). It's a very unusual book, a sort of meditation, part prose, part verse, about several characters from Greek mythology--Helen, Achilles, Paris, Clytemnestra, Thetis, Theseus. 's work dearly and I plan to study it in as much depth as possible. “the admitted first-cause 'of all-time, of all-history”, National Book Award Finalist for Poetry (1962), Questions, Resources, and General Banter - Helen in Egypt, Discussion - Week Two - Helen in Egypt - Leuké - pp. And I rarely get religious over anything. If you can get through the many poems where H.D is just playing the divinity name game--"So and so god is so and so god. In both, we are introduced to a famous woman who is most often portrayed as an archetype, known for her influence on famous men and historical events, rather than for her own thoughts and achievements. An esoteric mystery, this is a book of compelling voices and such nuance I feel like I need to reread it to fully grasp it. Where could the epic go after the world wars of the twentieth century? The effect is cold, boring and tedious. ), what survives of his Pallinode, tells us almost all we know of this other Helen, and from it H. D. wove her book-length poem. Stesicoro di Sicilia è il primo poeta che rivisita il mito di Elena di Troia, dichiarando che la vera Elena era stata trasportata in Egitto.Hilda Doolittle, poeta modernista mito, ritorna alle radici delle costruzioni tradizionali della donna nella figura omerica di Elena di Troia, incarnazione stereotipata di tutte le donne, rileggendo Stesicoro e riscrivendo il mito greco. See a recent post on Tumblr from @enthymesis about helen-in-egypt. Reading HD's Helen in Egypt while in Egypt is a special treat. ), what survives of his Pallinode, tells us almost all we know of this other Helen, and from it H. D. wove her book-length poem. (69). For these reasons and others, Helen in Egypt is a curious modernist reinvention of the epic poem, which can be analysed as a feminist response to that male form par excellence. You'll never get all the references H.D. But some say that Helen was never in Troy, that she had been conveyed by Zeus to Egypt, and that Greeks and Trojans alike fought for an illusion. A brilliant project, beautifully executed. Yet critical attention to it has been relatively sparse, most likely due to the puzzling effect created by the dynamic combination of poetry and prose. Welcome back. The play takes place in Helen’s elaborate hotel room where she is doomed to bad cable reception, frequent manicures, and impossibly insensitive servants. I first bought the paperback of Helen in Egypt in the '70s, I suppose, though I'm not sure I read it all until the early '90s. But like other poets who were associated with the core of the imagist movement, H. D.’s ambitions grew in her later, post-imagist years. In one sense, yes, although it lacks an epic ‘hero’ in the traditional sense, and even Helen herself, being removed from the theatre of war, is a dubious case for ‘epic heroine’, since she neither undergoes a considerable journey nor engages in a significant battle of some sort. Time adds folds and our persistent treading leaves torn san Helen herself seems almost ready for this sacrifice-at least, for the immolation of herself before this greatest love of Achilles, his dedication to 'his own ship' and the figurehead, 'an idol or eidolon . Maybe next week? a mermaid, Thetis upon the prow.'. I first bought the paperback of Helen in Egypt in the '70s, I suppose, though I'm not sure I read it all until the early '90s. Discover more posts about helen-in-egypt. Her poetic career had been launched on the eve of the First World War, while the Second World War had persuaded her to return to writing poetry after several years away from it. 's other work. It is a classic in its own right, an eloquently concentrated expression of epic vision and truly poetic imagination. Definitely worth reading and surely one of the major works, if only in terms of ambition, of a 20th century poet. Abstract. Our five sections of Helen in Egypt take H.D. ), what survives of his Pallinode, tells us almost all we know of this other Helen, and from it H. D. wove her book-length poem. was engaged in the formalist experimentation that preoccupied much of her generation. HD is a Zeus damned genius. describes the recordings: "I am so happy about the disk-work [sic], went in yesterday by car and E [rich Heydt] came along and helped me. 208-304, Schedule for Discussions - Helen in Egypt, Lauren Hough on Leaving Cults, the Military, and Bad Jobs. It's a major new poem on the old story. ), what survives of his Pallinode, tells us almost all we know of this other Helen, and from it H. D. wove. I'm sure it doesn't matter. In this week’s Dispatches from The Secret Library, Dr Oliver Tearle visits Egypt courtesy of H. D.’s response to the epic poem. In H.D.’s epic, no single word can capture Helen — least of all her name. Helen stays in Egypt throughout the Trojan War anticipating the arrival of her husband. The fabulous beauty of Helen of Troy is legendary. Hilda Doolittle’s interpretive version of Stesichorus’ poem Pallinode tells a new version of Helen and Achilles superimposed over a fabric of mythologies. I’m in love. We’d love your help. Hundreds of pages go on repeating the same dozen telephone book entries of gods, goddesses and heroes in a monotonous laundry list that literally goes on for hundreds of lines (I thought the printer made a mistake and was repeating pages, but no) , while throughout the poem there is no drama or movement or intention of any kind. With simple language, HD weaves a complex retelling of Helen and Achilles. The poem can be understood as a feminist response to the idea that it was a woman who caused a vast and cataclysmic war – that Helen of Troy was responsible for the suffering and deaths of countless men. Helen in Egypt, Eidolon, Book III: 4 Helen herself seems almost ready for this sacrifice--at least, for the immolation of herself before this greatest love of Achilles, his dedication to "his own ship" and the figurehead, "an idol or eidolon . Before there was Tori Amos, there was H.D., writing cryptic verse that by turns boggles the mind and moves the heart. H. D. went on to write novels as well as poems, and in her later years produced two substantial works of poetry: Trilogy (1944-6), about the fallout from the Second World War, and Helen in Egypt (1961), which is the longest ‘poem’ she wrote, a vast 300-page work of free-verse tercets, with each section prefaced by brief prose introductions telling us the story, almost like stage directions in some vast verse drama. I'm just in complete awe of the writer's imagination. That's what I got from it anyways. She published under the pen name H.D. Jonas took as her source material Helen in Egypt, a poem by twentieth-century Imagist poet Hilda Doolittle (HD). I call it epic for the size; the introduction tells me it's a dramatic lyric narrative; fine. Well, half the times I was like wow, and the other half I was like what. Just a moment while we sign you in to your Goodreads account. Which is the true Helen? is making, and one major draw back over Helen of Troy (as opposed to, say, TRILOGY) is that it is both too obscure and too long for it's own good, as well as lacking some of the emotional pay off of H.D. Of course, how I got here is not nearly as fascinating as how Helen got here. But some say that Helen was never in Troy, that she had been conveyed by Zeus to Egypt, and that Greeks and Trojans alike fought for an illusion. 's other work. H.D. It was concerned with the intersection of myth, mythology, history, or more broadly: reality and fiction. It's a very unusual book, a sort of meditation, part prose, part verse, about several characters from Greek mythology--Helen, Achilles, Paris, Clytemnestra, Thetis, Theseus. by New Directions. What is it "abo. Paris returned to Troy without a new bride, but the Greeks refused to believe that Helen was in Egypt and not within Troy's walls. Every single time. An epic on Helen, by an Imagist poet in short three-line stanzas; highly original, unique. Interesting Literature is a participant in the Amazon EU Associates Programme, an affiliate advertising programme designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by linking to Amazon.co.uk. is a three-stanza poem that describes the emotions of the Greek people in regards to Helen of Troy. Helen in Egypt: Lines in the Sand was a performance by the American artist Joan Jonas. I couldn't tell you for certain. There are these prose 'explanatory' introductions by the poet almost every page that explain the same inner life confusion that she puts into poetry form below her explanation. Helen in Egypt points the quest inward, away from the burning and striving of other epics. retells Helen's story as a dream, as a hieroglyph, as a palimpsest... Helen dreams that she is many characters at once, she writes and reads and exists in time, outside of time, in the past and in the present. Helen in Egypt by H. D., 1961, Grove Press edition, in English Feminist rewriting of the history of Helen and a mystical collation of several inter-connected myths. Each stanza of the poem contains its own separate, loosely structured rhyme scheme. Helen's first trip to Egypt was truly labyrinthine, taking the lifetimes of Stesichorus, Herodotus, Euripides, and Dio Chrysostom- … "or is it a story told / a shadow of a shadow, / has it ever happened, / or is it yet to come?" . The Greeks and the Trojans both went to war over what was, effectively, an illusion. Read in conjunction with the novel, Bid Me To Live, I read a lot of HD's personal life into the poem (whether it all belonged there or not). Name Helen in has its own forms. Hundreds of pages go on repeating the same dozen telephone book entries of gods, goddesses and heroes in a monotonous laundry list that literally goes on for hundreds of lines (I thought the printer made a mistake and was repeating pages, but no) , while throughout the poem there is no d. Although individual lines are lovely off the tongue, the poem for my taste is 280 pages too long. Not my favorite HD book, but an interesting book. How do you say Helen in Egypt? HD's modern interpretation of the story of Helen of Troy reminded me of Ursula Le Guin's version of Lavinia. asks the question, "What if Helen never made it to Troy? is making, and one major draw back over Helen of Troy (as opposed to, say, TRILOGY) is that it is both too obscure and too long for it's own good, as well as lacking some of the emotional pay off of H.D. The real wife of Menelaus, the woman we know as ‘Helen of Troy’, spent the duration of the Trojan War in Egypt, having been taken there by Hermes and kept out of harm’s way, while some pretender was used back in Troy as a stand-in for the real Helen. Hilda Doolittle!!! The information in the prose passage and the poem overlaps, interlocks; yet this preparatory lead in asks. ), what survives of his Pallinode, tells us almost all we know of this other Helen, and from it H. D. wove her book-length poem. But some say that Helen was never in Troy, that she had been conveyed by Zeus to Egypt, and that Greeks and Trojans alike fought for an illusion. 's work. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. In this play, we hear that the real Helen never went to Troy, but rather a phantom Helen. Is there anything she can’t write? a mermaid, Thetis upon the prow." Each section begins with a meditation in prose, followed by verse written in tercets. 's Helen in Egypt, written between 1952 and 1955 and published posthumously in 1961, is a major work of a modernist poet at the height of her powers. Inspired by a passage in the Pallinode of Stesichorus, H.D. The gods can't keep their identities clear in their minds either, constantly wondering if they are Greek or Egyptian. Helen In Egypt, Eidolon, Book Iii: 4 by Hilda Doolittle. Be the first to ask a question about Helen in Egypt. But right now, I don't believe I am quite ready. But right now, I don't believe I am quite ready. Seemed interesting, but haven't read it yet. “I'm in a weird place because the book is about to come out. She weaves in personal knowledge of the country here, but Helen in Egypt is also steeped in her awareness of the classics. Her cadence reminds me of waves crashing, and the feeling of reading it is like that tranquil state where you're half awake and aren't sure if you are dreaming or awake. The ideas are interesting, if perhaps overly hermeneutical and dense, often wearing themselves out before full expressed. This is an imaginative, deep meditation of Helen and her meaning(s) in Greek mythology. King Proteus of Egypt, appalled that Paris had seduced his host's wife and plundered his host's home in Sparta, disallowed Paris from taking Helen to Troy. According to these priests, Helen had arrived in Egypt shortly after leaving Sparta, because strong winds had blown Paris's ship off course. A rewriting of the classic mythology of western civilization to undo that other classic (misogynist) myth, that of the bewitching woman who is responsible for the mistakes of man. H.D. I love H.D. This long poem is a must read modernist masterpiece. These names are various but equal to Helen. Although she is most well known for her poetry - lyric and epic - H.D. Helen in Egypt proceeds in three parts; each part is divided into six or seven books, with each book further comprising eight lyrics, and each lyric composed of a series of mostly unrhymed tercets. I love H.D. Although individual lines are lovely off the tongue, the poem for my taste is 280 pages too long. author page, and apparently they are the only recordings of H.D. The double so and so god who is also a manifestation of third so and so"--there are some passages of effortless seeming beauty and efficiency. 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